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    Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    2006.11.16
    Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    Sonyps3Sony (SNE) will lose $241.35 on every PlayStation 3 game console it sells at $599, and $306.85 on every console it sells with a smaller hard drive at $499, according to an analysis of the component costs conducted by iSuppli, a research firm.

    That's a staggering figure that is sure to influence how this round of the console war plays out. (In perspective, Sony will take a loss equal to the retail price of a Nintendo Wii every time it sells a PS3.)

    It's not unusual for console makers to lose money on the game console itself, expecting to make up for that by selling multiple games later. Sony and Microsoft (MSFT) both have employed that strategy in the past to get more powerful consoles into the hands of gamers.

    But this time around, Microsoft will make $75.70 on every Xbox 360 it sells, not counting marketing and distribution costs. So while Microsoft won't need to sell a set number of games to cover its build costs, Sony will have to sell five to seven. That is a high hurdle. This is corrected from an earlier version that said Microsoft will lose $75.70 on each Xbox 360. Thanks, Mike, for the catch.

    (iSuppli analysts found a Seagate hard drive in the PS3, as we noted here that they would.)

    * And the winner is ... the Wii (with honors for the Xbox 360)

    "The reason why the PlayStation 3 is so costly to produce is because it has incredible processing power," said Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and senior analyst for iSuppli. "If someone had shown me the PlayStation 3 motherboard from afar without telling me what it was, I would have assumed it was for a network switch or an enterprise server."

    It may be that Sony is giving gamers incredible power for the price, but from a business standpoint it's also taking a big financial risk. One could argue that if Sony needs to sell so many games to make a profit, its game system experience had better be orders of magnitude better than Microsoft's.

    I'll leave it to you, good readers and commenters, to judge whether it is. In the chart below, iSuppli's component cost breakdown. It doesn't include the controller or the packaging.

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    Description Manufacturer 20 GB 60 GB

    Reality Synthesizer Nvidia (Sony) $129.00 $129.00

    IBM Cell Broadband Engine IBM (Sony) $89.00 $89.00

    I/O Bridge Controller Toshiba (Sony) $59.00 $59.00

    Emotion Engine and Graphics Sythnesizer Toshiba (Sony) $27.00 $27.00

    Noteworthy Memory - XDR DRAM (4 x 512Mbit) Samsung $48.00 $48.00

    Other Components and Manufacturing N/A $148.00 $148.00

    Bluetooth Module Sony, Featuring CSR BlueCore 4 Chip $4.10 $4.10

    Optional 802.11 b/g Module Marvell Chipset N/A $15.50

    Other Components and Manufacturing N/A $2.50 $2.50

    Memory Card Board N/A N/A $5.00

    Blu-Ray Optical Drive Sony $125.00 $125.00

    SATA Hard Drive Seagate $43.00 $54.00

    Power Supply Sony (Private-Label) $37.50 $37.50

    Cooling / Mounting Cage for Motherboard N/A $22.00 $22.00

    Enclosure / Hardware N/A $31.00 $33.00

    Miscellaneous Other Assemblies N/A $1.75 $1.75

    Manufacturing Costs N/A $39.00 $40.00

    Preliminary Total Console Cost Estimate $805.85 $840.35

    Suggested Retail Pricing (US) $499.00 $599.00


    Difference Between Cost and Retail Price $306.85 $241.35

    Source - iSuppli Corporation November 2006

    http://blogs.business2.com/utilitybe...loss_is_a.html
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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    Still the best next-gen console on the market.


    BTW- I give this thread 10 mins before Chubz makes a Wii comment. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    no need to worry sony will be fine...they will make the loss back on many of the other products they sell
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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    They'll get that price down before I have one in my home.
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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    pretty [censored] good price if you ask me...the best graphics than any other system on the market...plus you also get a blu ray dvd player...i would pay it anyday if i could get my hands on one
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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    I will definetly be picking up a PS3 when i can afford it.. but for now.. im going to get mii a wii.. cant wait to play one of these things.. the controller is going to bring in a whole nother section of gamers into the market.. i look for wii sells to be pretty high untill the PS3 does drop in price.. but no doubt it is the best one on the market

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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    [ QUOTE ]
    the best graphics than any other system on the market

    [/ QUOTE ]

    As of now, the XBOX 360's titles that are on the PS3 as well are scoring HIGHER than their PS3 counterparts, and many people are saying that the graphics are not better than the XBOX 360, and since the PS3 was just launched, it's been having framerate issues and bugs, etc.

    It's going to take them a while to get the system fixed up and to get the games developed so that they aren't running so badly, but what's new?

    Let's also not forget that the XBOX 360 has some KILLER games available now (Gears of War, Viva Pinata just to name VERY few), and there are many awesome ones that will be coming soon (Rainbow Six Vegas) and later (Halo 3.)

    As of now, the XBOX 360 is the system to get if you don't have one already and you're looking for great graphics. I wouldn't waste my time on the PS3 as of now.. and it doesn't have ANYTHING that can even come close to competing with Gears of War's visuals.

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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    I wouldn't give $600 for three of them...how naive we Americans have become...imagine how, if we had stayed home when Sony released them, the bottom would have fallen out by now. aah, our gullibility!

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    Re: Sony's loss is at least $240 on every PS3

    You are so correct, Mr. Boney. If all these losers had just held off and given Sony a message by not running out and buying the PS3 like a pack of wild dogs when it came out, I guarantee we'd be seeing a price slash right after Christmas.
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